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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:21:00 -
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Once the planetary conquest portion of Dust becomes publicly available, Rosen Association will likely be contracting out to other merc corporations for much of the District fighting. This is due to our small member count.
In order to better support Dust 514, we would like to contract out to other like minded merc corps whenever possible. To this end, we ask corporation CEOs or Officers to publicly, in this thread, declare that their corp does not condone AFK farming.
Rosen Association will compile this list of corporations, and, whenever possible, contract out to only the corporations on this list. Obviously we will be monitoring activity in Dust Skirmish matches as we play, and any corporation that is observed to have a member AFKing during a match will be struck from the list. Any other corporation may also use this list for their own contracting should it desire.
Current corporations who are already ineligible to receive contracts from us would be:
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunters Any Internal Error corporations
Any other corporations, please feel free to express your desire to be considered for contract hire, and your intolerance of AFKing by your members.
Please keep things civil here, we're just looking for corporations that we'd like to hire.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.25 16:05:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:Chris F2112 wrote:Not trying to sound like I'm for AFKing in any way, but If you only hire out to corporations that have no members that ever do it, it's probably going to be a relatively short list. Yea and a short list of players you wouldnt want to merc out contracts to anyway. Also they aren't Internal Error corps they are Negative-Feedback corps
Thanks, I will correct the the op.
Also, we aren't so concerned about how short the list is, just that they adhere to some standard of ethics. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.25 17:19:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:This is eve good luck on that :-)
We've managed in Eve so far, and thanks for your support. I'm sorry that your Corp is ineligible. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.26 05:19:00 -
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I'm a little surprised that no Corp has come forward, so far, to declare that they don't tolerate afk farming. I'm sure mine is not the only Corp interested in funneling isk to corporations that do not afk farm. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:03:00 -
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Syther Shadows wrote:I clearly stand for my corp and i would like to say
We would be happy to do it provided you give us 15% of the isk made in (liquidated stock) from the planetary installations we capture furthermore we need a minimum of 1mill isk before we enter a battle to cover a small majority of our fee's you are to provide ALL eve support unless you are willing to pay 50mill + per battle
For any further details on our terms please contact a legitimate admin of our corporation or some one who is not making it up
(if you don't have many dust players i hope your a eve vet who is able to fund all of this any smart dust corp manager will charge that AT least just of the top of my head)
also in some situations you may be able to pay then in guns weps ect ~ but that is a very LIMITED situation
as isk is more effective in the long run as shown by eve corp wars
*edit* as for afk farming no one would see there members do it and say hey that's fine i don't mind that
but at the same time this is the time and place you want to grab all the most powerful players before the game lunches and if they become those players by afking then some corp leaders would even see that as a investment and a necessary risk in order to become a successful corp and in my opinion isk < SP
there is no point having all this fancy stuff if you can't even use it
Isk isn't an issue. Also, terms of contract can't be negotiated until we see what the framework allows.
All we want to know right now is if you like your Corp considered. Based on your post, I'm assuming that you do. So long as we see no afking by your Corp, you are first on the go to list. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.26 07:33:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Not to sound rude, but I've never heard of the Rosen Association before. If you are going to be advertising your services as a contracting company shouldn't you are least try and sell us on who you are first? Um, I'm not selling anything. Please read the first post carefully. I'm soliciting for customers, namely merc corps, that would like to be paid in isk for corp battles once territory conquest is in game.
Our corp would like to hire only those corps that formally disavow afk farming. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.26 15:58:00 -
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Sextus Hardcock wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Once the planetary conquest portion of Dust becomes publicly available, Rosen Association will likely be contracting out to other merc corporations for much of the District fighting. This is due to our small member count.
In order to better support Dust 514, we would like to contract out to other like minded merc corps whenever possible. To this end, we ask corporation CEOs or Officers to publicly, in this thread, declare that their corp does not condone AFK farming.
Rosen Association will compile this list of corporations, and, whenever possible, contract out to only the corporations on this list. Obviously we will be monitoring activity in Dust Skirmish matches as we play, and any corporation that is observed to have a member AFKing during a match will be struck from the list. Any other corporation may also use this list for their own contracting should it desire.
Current corporations who are already ineligible to receive contracts from us would be:
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Any Negative Feedback corporations
Any other corporations, please feel free to express your desire to be considered for contract hire, and your intolerance of AFKing by your members.
Please keep things civil here, we're just looking for corporations that we'd like to hire. I suppose I'll have to afk farm to re-coup my lost revenues from your mighty corp. your form of e-justice is glorious to behold o mighty one... uh who are you again? ;) edit: Try petitioning to CCP to include more preformance based incentives in their game play and less socialism. Better use of your time than this, which will accomplish nothing, although it is mildly amusing I guess.
Just to be clear, for those that are misinterpreting the original post.
Rosen Association is looking to hire merc corps to attack and defend territory. We only want to hire, if possible, corps that publically disavow afk farming.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.26 16:07:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:DIOS EX. Will always be willing to support any Corporation who stands against MCC farming and the 40 year old degenerates who do it.
Thank you
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.26 16:50:00 -
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Sextus Hardcock wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Sextus Hardcock wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Once the planetary conquest portion of Dust becomes publicly available, Rosen Association will likely be contracting out to other merc corporations for much of the District fighting. This is due to our small member count.
In order to better support Dust 514, we would like to contract out to other like minded merc corps whenever possible. To this end, we ask corporation CEOs or Officers to publicly, in this thread, declare that their corp does not condone AFK farming.
Rosen Association will compile this list of corporations, and, whenever possible, contract out to only the corporations on this list. Obviously we will be monitoring activity in Dust Skirmish matches as we play, and any corporation that is observed to have a member AFKing during a match will be struck from the list. Any other corporation may also use this list for their own contracting should it desire.
Current corporations who are already ineligible to receive contracts from us would be:
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Any Negative Feedback corporations
Any other corporations, please feel free to express your desire to be considered for contract hire, and your intolerance of AFKing by your members.
Please keep things civil here, we're just looking for corporations that we'd like to hire. I suppose I'll have to afk farm to re-coup my lost revenues from your mighty corp. your form of e-justice is glorious to behold o mighty one... uh who are you again? ;) edit: Try petitioning to CCP to include more preformance based incentives in their game play and less socialism. Better use of your time than this, which will accomplish nothing, although it is mildly amusing I guess. Just to be clear, for those that are misinterpreting the original post. Rosen Association is looking to hire merc corps to attack and defend territory. We only want to hire, if possible, corps that publically disavow afk farming. I don't believe I misinterpreted your original post at all (I assume you are refering to me as you quoted my response) You are looking to hire corps to attack and defend districts on your behalf, with the requirement that they both A) publicly speak out against AFK farming and B) are not witnessed by any of your members etc... in the act of AFK farming. Since my corp is listed on your short list of who you won't hire I can make the assumption that you have some 'proof' of a bunny AFKing. My further comment was directed towards you, as your efforts to stamp out afk farming are pointless. No amount of player action will ever stop it since the rewards are tangible and the risks are zero. Any amount you could collectively spend towards hiring our corp, could easily be gained by farming. Hence the problem. And so again I say, look to the game designers for a solution. Perhaps a WP per game or per minute Metric would help.
Fair enough. I assumed you misinterpreted the post simply because of your mighty corp comment. It seemed like you thought that I am saying "We will crush you"
Not at all, I'm trying to generate a societal norm, by example that ostracises afkers. Additionally, of course, CCP has been petitioned.
But, like in real life, if there are societal repercussions for deviance, it will be stamped out by the people. I don't expect such a mature development here in a game, but we lead by example, not by following.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.26 17:02:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:hmm,I suggest talking to quick here he would surely be interested in your proposition we have hundreds of members that will surly aid you. I also know for a fact that our corp has 0 tolerance for afk farming,I am however not a director so my word is meaningless no?
Thanks. I posted there to see if anyone would "officially" say your corp is interested.
I definitely appreciate the comments of corp members, and it helps us, though I'd definitely prefer a comment from someone who, more formally, represents the corp.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.27 00:50:00 -
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Inferno Blazer wrote:I'm trying to get this straight:
you are a small corporation, that is going to be using the grunt labor of other corporations to attain Planetary Resources. You are then going to keep the majority of the earnings from the passive planetary earnings you have attained to actively fund your progressive growth of resources while still being under staffed.
I fail to see why a corporation would agree to this on a permanent basis, when all the other corporations have to do otherwise is perform a merger and thus have more manpower to attain more resources and spread it amongst their members equally. this seems to be the equivalent of sweat-shop laborers.
It's called a mercenary contract, and it's kind of a big deal in this game. Also, contracted labor isn't the same thing as a sweat shop, just like not all jobs are sweatshops.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.27 15:33:00 -
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Piercing Serenity wrote:I truly do not understand the point of this thread. Are you trying to galvanize the community against AFK farming or look for other corporations to defend you? If you want to take a stand against AFK'ing, do it. I whole-heartily agree with you. But "black listing" corps makes you seem arrogant. What looks like AFK farming to you could be a pressing family emergency for me. I could have spilled some soup on the floor or dropped my computer and scurried to a safe spot to deal with it. You'd never know the difference. You'd just black list my entire corp because a single individual didn't meet your standards. All of that seems like more trouble than its worth. Just advocate for AFK reform.
If you're looking for other corps to fight your battles for you, that's a different story. If I were you, I'd focus much more on "who can get the job done" and much less on "who did I catch farming". Hiring some C corp instead of the Inperfects (Or Bunnies - shameless self promotion) just isn't smart. You'll lose out on a lot of money that way, but to each his (or her) own.
True enough. However, we do monitor any game we're in. If some officer of pfbh wants to declare against afk, then the corp would be eligible until we see it again. I, personally, have seen pfbh afk farming on more than one occasion.
Also, to answer the questions regarding purpose, efficacy, etc. Our purpose is many fold. First, we don't want to funnel our isk to players or corporations that afk. Second, we would like to see the community of dust stand up against afk independent of what ccp does, at least until ccp fixes the issue. We believe in leading by example, and that integrity is something you have, not because it's easy, but because it's the right thing to do.
We are aware that by limiting the corps that we will pay, that we are at a disadvantage. We believe that without integrity we have nothing.
If someone would like to recommend specific, like minded alliances, we would certainly consider joining an alliance as an additional option.
As far as a corp not fulfilling the terms of the contract, we believe the contract will disallow the ability to "just take the territory for themselves" barring an additional fight - which we would again contract out for.
Regarding threats of domination by powerful afk corps, I say personally, game on (assuming of course that you won't be afking the match) |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:29:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Piercing Serenity wrote:I truly do not understand the point of this thread. Are you trying to galvanize the community against AFK farming or look for other corporations to defend you? If you want to take a stand against AFK'ing, do it. I whole-heartily agree with you. But "black listing" corps makes you seem arrogant. What looks like AFK farming to you could be a pressing family emergency for me. I could have spilled some soup on the floor or dropped my computer and scurried to a safe spot to deal with it. You'd never know the difference. You'd just black list my entire corp because a single individual didn't meet your standards. All of that seems like more trouble than its worth. Just advocate for AFK reform.
If you're looking for other corps to fight your battles for you, that's a different story. If I were you, I'd focus much more on "who can get the job done" and much less on "who did I catch farming". Hiring some C corp instead of the Inperfects (Or Bunnies - shameless self promotion) just isn't smart. You'll lose out on a lot of money that way, but to each his (or her) own. Based on how I read it, the purpose of the thread is to request the support of other corporations. The Corporation's decision to take a stand against AFKers is included because they're saying they want to avoid providing support to such players even in an indirect manner such as a merc contract. That isn't a separate goal, it's a core value of the Corp that's required as part of the recruitment request. Many Corporations with sovereignty in EVE function much like nations in the real world. I expect similar to happen in DUST when PC really kicks in. If your small communist city-state needs an ally, you're not going to say, "Hey, Mr. USA! Can we borrow your army for a while?" because that's not going to work out very well. When the government and a hired mercenary army are at odds, the government isn't going to stay in power for long. Also, a group of smaller Corporations could potentially band together to hold a planet with mutual mercenary agreements, each supporting the others against larger neighbours. You wouldn't have the reinforcement capabilities of a merged larger Corp, but each group would retain their independence and for some people, that's important. EDIT: I can't speak for my current Corp, but I will say that I'm personally not in favour of AFK farming. I don't do it, and I don't intend to do it.
Thank you for writing more clearly than I have.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.27 19:21:00 -
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LXicon wrote:VENGEANCE FOR HIRE is always willing to take contracts.
Please contact TheBLAZZED or one of our directors to discuss details. Be sure to mention that I referred you as I will get a commission :)
Thanks, I will. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.27 21:42:00 -
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ReGnUM Public Relations wrote:@ Rosen Association: this is a complete and utter outrage As the Leaders of The Free Mercenary World, the IMPERFECTS prides themselves in players freedom and individuality. This includes all types of play styles including AFKing. To subjugate certain player group on their play style will not stand. I ask that the next time you speak. You take the utmost caution.
lol, I assume this is tongue in cheek.
However, We are in no way telling you or your corp how to behave. We are merely stating that we wish to avoid, whenever possible, putting isk into the hands of those that AFK or condone it. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:29:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Chimeric Destiny wrote:Dude these guys are ruthless and nasty i dont think you want to get on their bad side. This is New Eden and these guys are not to be messed around with. Don't drink the Quafe. - Also you got Foxhound Corporation down two times. >.> I was just stating that we would indeed be willing to accept contracts.
Oops. Well you guys are doubly supportive, right? lol
Anyway, corrected. |
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